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Kerry and Bush face off over deficit, war
(Agencies)
Updated: 2004-10-09 12:30
In a testy debate rematch Friday, Sen. John Kerry
derided U.S. President Bush as the first leader to preside over job losses
in 72 years and said he had transformed huge budget surpluses into massive
deficits with wartime tax cuts for the rich. Bush said Kerry would raise taxes
on middle-class Americans to pay for US$2.2 trillion in new spending programs.
U.S. President
George W. Bush and Democratic presidential nominee John Kerry turn away
from each other after their second debate at Washington University in St.
Louis, Missouri, October 8, 2004. Bush and Democratic challenger Kerry
differed sharply on Iraq, jobs and taxes in their second debate on Friday,
with Kerry questioning Bush's judgment and the president accusing Kerry of
crumbling under political pressure. [Reuters] |
"That's just reality," Bush insisted.
"The president's trying to scare everybody here," Kerry responded.
The two candidates quarreled aggressively over the war in Iraq, jobs,
education, health care, abortion, the environment, cheaper drugs and tort reform
at a town-hall session 25 days before the election. Just over 90 minutes, they
fielded 18 questions from a select audience of uncommitted voters.
Bush said that if Kerry were president, Saddam Hussein "would still be in
power." The senator replied: "Not necessarily be in power ..."
After stumbling in the first debate with a scowling
performance, Bush sought to regain his footing, reassure Republicans and throw
Kerry on the defensive. Kerry, meanwhile, hoped to build on the momentum of their
first encounter, which gave him a lift in the polls.
U.S. President
George W. Bush answers a question from the audience during the town hall
format debate with his Democratic challenger John Kerry at Washington
University in St. Louis, Missouri, October 8, 2004. Bush and Kerry
differed sharply on Iraq, jobs and taxes in their second debate on Friday,
with Kerry questioning Bush's judgment and the president accusing Kerry of
crumbling under political pressure. [Reuters] |
Asked if he would pledge not to raise taxes on people making US$200,000 or
less, Kerry said: "Absolutely yes, right into the camera. Yes — I am not going
to raise taxes." Bush scoffed at the answer. "Of course he's going to raise your
taxes."
Estimating that Kerry's proposals would cost US$2.2 trillion, Bush declared,
"He's going to tax everybody here to fund these programs." He said Kerry's plan
to raise taxes on the wealthy would force 900,000 small business owners to pay
more — a contention disputed by the Kerry campaign.
Bush drew criticism in his first debate with Kerry last week with sharp looks
of annoyance. The president's frustration showed again Friday night when he
jumped from his seat for forceful answers. At one point, he interrupted
moderator Charles Gibson after Kerry had said he was "not going to go alone like
this president did" in Iraq.
"I've got to answer this," Bush said, cutting off Gibson, then indignantly
responding to Kerry. "You tell Tony Blair we're going alone." There were
noticeable snickers in the audience when Bush referred to rumors on the
"Internets" about the draft.
While the debate was open to all subjects, Iraq was a dominant theme.
Criticizing the president's decision to invade the
Persian Gulf nation, the Democrat said, "If we'd use smart diplomacy, we could
have saved US$200 billion and an invasion of Iraq and right now Osama bin Laden might be in jail or dead. That's the war on terror."
Democratic presidential nominee John Kerry (L)
and U.S. President George W. Bush listen to a question from the audience
during the town hall format debate at Washington University in St. Louis
Missouri, October 8, 2004. The latest polls have the two candidates in a
statistical dead heat with about three weeks until the election and one
final debate in Arizona next week. [Reuters] |
The debate came two days after the chief U.S. arms inspector reported that
Saddam did not have illicit weapons nor the means to make them. Bush said, "I
wasn't happy when we found out there wasn't weapons, and we've got an
intelligence group together to figure out why." Weapons of mass destruction were
the central rationale for the war that has cost more than 1,000 American lives.
The debate — the second of three — opened with a question to Kerry about
whether he was too wishy-washy. Kerry turned that question into an attack
against Bush, saying the president "didn't find weapons of mass destruction in
Iraq, so he's really turned his campaign into a weapon of mass deception" by
claiming that the four-term Massachusetts senator had changed his mind when he
had not.
Kerry said Bush "has presided over an economy where we've lost 1.6 million
jobs. The first president in 72 years to lose jobs. I have a plan to put people
back to work. That's not wishy-washy." A government report Friday said the
nation had lost 821,000 jobs under Bush.
"I can see why people think he changes a lot," Bush retorted, "because he
does." He pointed out that Kerry had said he had voted for an US$87 billion
appropriation for Iraq and Afghanistan before he voted against it.
Kerry used the opportunity to point out that the nation has suffered a net
job loss under Bush.
Expanding his criticism of Bush on Iraq, Kerry said the president had
diverted resources from the war against terror and also ignored a threat from
Iran as it accelerated its nuclear program. "It's a threat. It's a huge threat.
It has grown while the president was preoccupied with Iraq," the Democratic
challenger said.
Responding to criticism from Kerry in their second debate, Bush said, "That
answer almost made me want to scowl." He went on to accuse the senator of
advocating a policy that was "naive and dangerous" for bilateral talks between
the United States and North Korea rather than the six-nation negotiations set in
motion by the Bush administration.
Bush also set to lay to rest persistent rumors that the war in Iraq would
require the nation to return to a military draft. "We're not going to have a
draft. Period," the president said.
The Republican incumbent accused Kerry of denigrating the U.S.-led coalition
in Iraq with his claim that the United States is shouldering 90 percent of the
costs and casualties. "We've got 30 countries there," Bush said, his voice
rising. He mentioned Britain, Italy, Poland as well as other allies.
"Mr. President, countries are leaving the coalition, not joining," Kerry
said, asserting that eight countries are pulling out their troops from post-war
Iraq.
Bush and Kerry also were put on the spot about their plans for the economy.
"We did something that you don't know how to do," Kerry told Bush. "We
balanced the budget. And we paid down the debt of our nation for two years in a
row and we created 23 million new jobs at the same time." He accused Bush of
driving up the biggest deficits in history.
"He's added more debt to the debt of the United States in four years than all
the way from George Washington to Ronald Reagan put together. Go figure." The
budget swung from a record US$313 billion surplus projected when Bush took
office to a record $422 billion deficit this election year.
One questioner asked Bush whom he would pick if there were a Supreme Court
vacancy. "I'm not telling you," the president said. "I really haven't picked
anybody yet." He added lightheartedly, "Plus I want them all voting for me."
Kerry said that if he had to pick a Supreme Court justice, "I want to make
sure we have judges who interpret the Constitution of the United States
according to the law."
Asked about abortion, Kerry, who supports a woman's right to have an
abortion, noted that he was a Roman Catholic but said he could not let his faith
influence his decision. In a long, rambling answer, he said the United States
should not bar the use of federal money for family planning programs overseas.
Referring to Kerry's answer, Bush said, "I'm trying to decipher that."
Confronting the question directly, he said, "We're not going to spend federal
money on abortion."
The third and final debate will be held Wednesday in Tempe, Ariz., with the
focus on domestic issues.
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